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By: Jim https://www.atheists.org/2013/05/press-release-atheists-to-unveil-florida-courthouse-monument/#comment-171 Thu, 07 May 2015 05:02:00 +0000 http://news.atheists.org/?p=283#comment-171 In reply to Doc D.

Hi Doc D,

90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God

All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed

are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”

The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently
addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed
God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense. Therefore,
it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant ‘Servant of God’; one
who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his
father.

Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term.
In

their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born
of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14:
11-13, where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey,
pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god
Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.

Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and
‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are
translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all
others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses,
Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.

Additional problems with Trinity

To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human
suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In

contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to
understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man.

This is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in
Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know
their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without
any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere

repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before
God and be saved is made to all humankind.

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none
beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God,
and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)

Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance
sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places.

There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays
in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to
the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation

is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’
death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of
biblical prophecy.

Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the
incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a
human

being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God
Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?

Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh?

During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from
wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings?

If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human
as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this
would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be impossible for any part of
God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God.
The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or
decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)

Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?

Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be
God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.

Bible says that God is not man

‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)

‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible

‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and
signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves
know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’
(Acts 17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)

The Bible says that God is not a son of man

‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)

The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’

‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)

‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)

‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)

‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)

‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)

In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times speaking of
people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17;

144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).

Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a
man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not
have done so. Remember God is not the author of

confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’
specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according
to the Bible.

The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God

Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me
good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)

And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only
One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’
(Matthew 19:17)

Jesus did not teach people that he was God

If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented
the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus

denied he was God.

The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus

‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)

‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him.

The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to
the clear words from Jesus.

Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him

‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever

you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)

‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers

shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to
worship him.’ (John 4:23)

If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for

himself

Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore,
he was not God.

Jesus worshipped the only true God

‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have
sent.’ (John 17:3)

‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)

‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew
20:28)

How did Jesus pray to God?

‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)

‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up

prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him
from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)

Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?

Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man,
sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding

‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the

One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?

The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of

the Only True God:

“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship

Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)

Disciples did not believe Jesus was God

The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples
over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven.

Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter
stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:

‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a

man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did
among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)

‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his
servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)

‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)

When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said

‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts
5:29-30)

The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded by Jesus in Luke 11:2,
and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.

‘they raised their voices together in prayer to

God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the
sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)

‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)

‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)

‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)

The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant

‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’
(Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s

servant, Jesus can not be God.

The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by

himself

‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father

doing.’ (John 5:19)

‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)

The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal

with God

and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what
he could do:

‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and

glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)

‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God
performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘he went about doing good and healing all who were

oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)

If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus

did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was
God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.

Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles

One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the
first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).

Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding.

The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately
healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:

‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from

him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark
5:30)

‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands

on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)

Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be God. The power of
miracles was not within Jesus.

The Bible says that at times of weakness angels

strengthened Jesus

God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened;

God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he
must not be God.

‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him – in the garden of
Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)

‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and

began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)

‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by Satan; and he was
with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)

The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done

‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)

‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent

me.’ (John 5:30)

‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,

but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)

Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and less than equal, to
other members? Even though they have different wills

(‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’
commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own
distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should

all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own
will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all
have the exact same will?

The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two

‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John
8:17-18:)

‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust

also in me.’ (John 14:1)

If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s testimony as separate
from his own.

The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God

‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head
of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)

‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made subject to him who
put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)

Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning

But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God
is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is
infinite.’

(Psalms 147:5)

‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)

God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although

he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)

Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is

infinite. Since Jesus did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he
cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.

‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the
son, but only the Father.’ (Mark

13:32)

Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be

tempted

’tempted in every way – just as we are’ (Heb. 4:15)

‘for God cannot be tempted by evil’ (James 1:13)

Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from

himself

‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent
me.’ (John 7:16)

Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the doctrine would have
been his.

Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die

The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses
say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term

applies only to God.

Bible says that Jesus lived because of God

‘I live because of the Father.’ (John 6:57)

Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.

Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him

‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)

God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God

because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.

Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God

‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)

‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)

‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)

No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing and would owe His
teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God,

Jesus cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the
commanded are not one.

Bible says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!

‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)

‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are
called ‘Lord.’ For example:

1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)

2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)

3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)

4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)

5) a son called his father Lord (Matt.

21:30)

6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)

7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)

‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word

is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the
Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would
make no sense.

Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels

‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels,
namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)

God, the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own creation, but Jesus
was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.

Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’

‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt.

27:46)

‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)

‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my

God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)

Jesus did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God is the same as ours.

Bible says that God cannot be seen

But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)

Bible says twice that Jesus was accused of being God

But he denied it: According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews
opposed Jesus on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had
Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be God, he is
likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.

Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one case, with making
himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he denied
the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal with God, he says
immediately:

‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the

Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19,
30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in
substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates
gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself

God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

This is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response.

Hastings in ‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of
himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading ‘Jesus Christ,’

says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27
par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond

professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found
ancient documents concludes that:

‘The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son

of God are later additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of
deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as
we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus’ death

Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the
existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond
belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of

Jesus.’

Assuming Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God.

What did it mean? We first need to know the language of his people, the
language of the Jews to whom he was speaking.

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